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		<title>By: Elibom</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-109989</link>
		<dc:creator>Elibom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. Post a wrong link.  Here is the tutorial link.

http://cid-facb429f1db87808.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/ICC%202008%20LBS%20for%20Mobiles%20%7C5simplified%7C6%20R2.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. Post a wrong link.  Here is the tutorial link.</p>
<p><a href="http://cid-facb429f1db87808.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/ICC%202008%20LBS%20for%20Mobiles%20%7C5simplified%7C6%20R2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cid-facb429f1db87808.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/ICC%202008%20LBS%20for%20Mobiles%20%7C5simplified%7C6%20R2.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elibom</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-109988</link>
		<dc:creator>Elibom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the LBS you mentioned, my year-old comment, which you might see it somewhere before, is the following.

These years I browsed around about the location-based services (LBS).  A more detailed explanation of LBS for mobiles can be found by

http://to.swang.googlepages.com/
http://to.swang.googlepages.com/lbs 



Most people believe it would be the next big thing or killer app. Quite a few others have different opinion. e.g.,

http://www.smallsurfaces.com/2008/06/do-we-need-lbs/
http://www.lewebmobile.com/2008/06/do-humans-really-need-location-based.html

Here I can possibly present one opinion from the consumer/end-user perspective, which I have posted in some other places too.

Do we need LBS so badly?

Before I really go to the details. Let me give a review of one simple concept and theory here, which are called “Home Range Concept” and “Traffic Pattern Theory”.

Home Range Concept. It is a concept that can be traced back to a publication in 1943 by W. H. Burt, who constructed maps delineating the spatial extent or outside boundary of an animal’s movement during the course of its everyday activities.

Traffic Pattern Theory. A people’s daily activity pattern is pretty regular, which comprises of several major events, such as school, work, home, shopping.

As I remember, a technical explanation of traffic pattern theory can be found in a report by Stefan Schonfelder, STRC 2001.

http://www.strc.ch/schoenfe.pdf

What happened here is if you are looking at the traffic pattern of a person, saying a full-time employed, 45 years, car, 3-person-household, one child, the regular activity route is so LIMITED. So, does this mean …</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the LBS you mentioned, my year-old comment, which you might see it somewhere before, is the following.</p>
<p>These years I browsed around about the location-based services (LBS).  A more detailed explanation of LBS for mobiles can be found by</p>
<p><a href="http://to.swang.googlepages.com/" rel="nofollow">http://to.swang.googlepages.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://to.swang.googlepages.com/lbs" rel="nofollow">http://to.swang.googlepages.com/lbs</a> </p>
<p>Most people believe it would be the next big thing or killer app. Quite a few others have different opinion. e.g.,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smallsurfaces.com/2008/06/do-we-need-lbs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.smallsurfaces.com/2008/06/do-we-need-lbs/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.lewebmobile.com/2008/06/do-humans-really-need-location-based.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewebmobile.com/2008/06/do-humans-really-need-location-based.html</a></p>
<p>Here I can possibly present one opinion from the consumer/end-user perspective, which I have posted in some other places too.</p>
<p>Do we need LBS so badly?</p>
<p>Before I really go to the details. Let me give a review of one simple concept and theory here, which are called “Home Range Concept” and “Traffic Pattern Theory”.</p>
<p>Home Range Concept. It is a concept that can be traced back to a publication in 1943 by W. H. Burt, who constructed maps delineating the spatial extent or outside boundary of an animal’s movement during the course of its everyday activities.</p>
<p>Traffic Pattern Theory. A people’s daily activity pattern is pretty regular, which comprises of several major events, such as school, work, home, shopping.</p>
<p>As I remember, a technical explanation of traffic pattern theory can be found in a report by Stefan Schonfelder, STRC 2001.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.strc.ch/schoenfe.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.strc.ch/schoenfe.pdf</a></p>
<p>What happened here is if you are looking at the traffic pattern of a person, saying a full-time employed, 45 years, car, 3-person-household, one child, the regular activity route is so LIMITED. So, does this mean …</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Press</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-18477</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to learn more about the future of Mobile 2.0 and what the possible next steps will be.  What are some of the visions of the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to learn more about the future of Mobile 2.0 and what the possible next steps will be.  What are some of the visions of the future?</p>
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		<title>By: Wireless / News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mobile2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-4684</link>
		<dc:creator>Wireless / News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mobile2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But if we’re going to have a mobile 2.0, I think we would do well to base the definition on the Web 2.0 mind set and thinking. With that in mind, here are some revised extensions of the O’Reilly Web 2.0 set of examples applied to mobile 2.0 (revised somewhat from my original draft definition). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But if we’re going to have a mobile 2.0, I think we would do well to base the definition on the Web 2.0 mind set and thinking. With that in mind, here are some revised extensions of the O’Reilly Web 2.0 set of examples applied to mobile 2.0 (revised somewhat from my original draft definition). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 蓝天下 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mobile 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-4037</link>
		<dc:creator>蓝天下 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mobile 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 自从Tim O’Reilly发表了著名的Web2.0文章，所有人似乎都在搭这辆车。随之而来的出现了Media2.0, advertising2.0, TV 2.0, 等等。移动通信技术发展如此迅速，怎么能落后呢？于是Mobile 2.0的出现简直是理所当然的。最早由Daniel K. Appelquist在其blog上提出了Mobile 2.0的概念，并给出了详细的定义。但是Mobile 2.0这一名词似乎有被滥用的危险，尤其有可能被异化为“手机上的web 2.0”或者“手机多媒体应用”。为了避免出现这种情况，Daniel再次详细阐述了他的Mobile 2.0 beta的思想。 SMS -&gt; IM, mobile blogging MMS -&gt; Media sharing Operator Portals -&gt; Mobile Web and search Operator chooses -&gt; User chooses Premium SMS billing -&gt; Mobile stored value Accounts Java Games -&gt; Connected Applications (e.g. photo sharing, blogging) Presence &amp; Push-To-Talk -&gt; VOIP applications WAP sites -&gt; Web sites that adapt for mobile browsers WAP push -&gt; RSS readers Wallpaper -&gt; Idle screen applications Location services -&gt; Google maps application Content consumption -&gt; Content creation (e.g. mobile blogging) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 自从Tim O’Reilly发表了著名的Web2.0文章，所有人似乎都在搭这辆车。随之而来的出现了Media2.0, advertising2.0, TV 2.0, 等等。移动通信技术发展如此迅速，怎么能落后呢？于是Mobile 2.0的出现简直是理所当然的。最早由Daniel K. Appelquist在其blog上提出了Mobile 2.0的概念，并给出了详细的定义。但是Mobile 2.0这一名词似乎有被滥用的危险，尤其有可能被异化为“手机上的web 2.0”或者“手机多媒体应用”。为了避免出现这种情况，Daniel再次详细阐述了他的Mobile 2.0 beta的思想。 SMS -&gt; IM, mobile blogging MMS -&gt; Media sharing Operator Portals -&gt; Mobile Web and search Operator chooses -&gt; User chooses Premium SMS billing -&gt; Mobile stored value Accounts Java Games -&gt; Connected Applications (e.g. photo sharing, blogging) Presence &amp; Push-To-Talk -&gt; VOIP applications WAP sites -&gt; Web sites that adapt for mobile browsers WAP push -&gt; RSS readers Wallpaper -&gt; Idle screen applications Location services -&gt; Google maps application Content consumption -&gt; Content creation (e.g. mobile blogging) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Appelquist</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Appelquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael -- Cool stuff.  You should patent that keyboard layout before somebody swipes it.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8212; Cool stuff.  You should patent that keyboard layout before somebody swipes it.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan&#8217;s Blog (2.0) &#187; What is &#8220;Mobile 2.0&#8243; (Beta)</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan&#8217;s Blog (2.0) &#187; What is &#8220;Mobile 2.0&#8243; (Beta)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But if we&#8217;re going to have a mobile 2.0, I think we would do well to base the definition on the Web 2.0 mind set and thinking. With that in mind, here are some revised extensions of the O&#8217;Reilly Web 2.0 set of examples applied to mobile 2.0 (revised somewhat from my original draft definition). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But if we&#8217;re going to have a mobile 2.0, I think we would do well to base the definition on the Web 2.0 mind set and thinking. With that in mind, here are some revised extensions of the O&#8217;Reilly Web 2.0 set of examples applied to mobile 2.0 (revised somewhat from my original draft definition). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Molin</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Molin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan,

I just wanted to show everyone my project - http://geocities.com/gene_technics

I think that a standard hardware platform is the foundation for Mobile 2.0 - a two displays device allows to divide the core content of a Website and its framework - menu and ads. It allows developers to make sites with easily seen structure - site map on the second display. It allows advertizers to place easily a??essible ads on the second display-keyboard - the ads is at the fingertips of consumers. It allows users have a good experience from working with it - comfortable form factor, easy-for-typing keyboard with full and standard localization and all the functions they would expect from a mobile device.

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>I just wanted to show everyone my project &#8211; <a href="http://geocities.com/gene_technics" rel="nofollow">http://geocities.com/gene_technics</a></p>
<p>I think that a standard hardware platform is the foundation for Mobile 2.0 &#8211; a two displays device allows to divide the core content of a Website and its framework &#8211; menu and ads. It allows developers to make sites with easily seen structure &#8211; site map on the second display. It allows advertizers to place easily a??essible ads on the second display-keyboard &#8211; the ads is at the fingertips of consumers. It allows users have a good experience from working with it &#8211; comfortable form factor, easy-for-typing keyboard with full and standard localization and all the functions they would expect from a mobile device.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Appelquist</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Appelquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is no linkage between openness and specific radio-access technology. CDMA can be just as &quot;open&quot; in this sense as GSM/UMTS. It has to do with culture and the perceived threat of openness vs. tight control. In the US, it happens to be that the GSM carriers are the ones leading the pack in this respect. This might have something to do with their linkage to other global carries through the auspices of the GSMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is no linkage between openness and specific radio-access technology. CDMA can be just as &#8220;open&#8221; in this sense as GSM/UMTS. It has to do with culture and the perceived threat of openness vs. tight control. In the US, it happens to be that the GSM carriers are the ones leading the pack in this respect. This might have something to do with their linkage to other global carries through the auspices of the GSMA.</p>
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		<title>By: Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan,

Nice list up. It appears majority of the Mobile 2.0 components are taking place in the open-market GSM rather than the operator-controlled CDMA realm. I doubt CDMA will ever open up to the full potential and reach of Mobile 2.0. How is your opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>Nice list up. It appears majority of the Mobile 2.0 components are taking place in the open-market GSM rather than the operator-controlled CDMA realm. I doubt CDMA will ever open up to the full potential and reach of Mobile 2.0. How is your opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Appelquist</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Appelquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI I don&#039;t mean to say that IM replaces texting in anyway, nor that dotMobi is the only way to get to the Mobile Web (indeed, I helped found the Mobile Web Initiative on the premise that any Web site can be mobile friendly). I do think dotMobi can be an important part of the roll-out of the Mobile Web to consumers though. So comments definitely accepted. I will be working on a revised definition of Mobile 2.0 in advance of the &quot;mobile2.0&quot; event I posted about today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI I don&#8217;t mean to say that IM replaces texting in anyway, nor that dotMobi is the only way to get to the Mobile Web (indeed, I helped found the Mobile Web Initiative on the premise that any Web site can be mobile friendly). I do think dotMobi can be an important part of the roll-out of the Mobile Web to consumers though. So comments definitely accepted. I will be working on a revised definition of Mobile 2.0 in advance of the &#8220;mobile2.0&#8243; event I posted about today.</p>
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		<title>By: Anders Borg</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Anders Borg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Java Games -&gt; Embedded Applications (e.g. Blogger application)
Presence &amp; Push-To-Talk -&gt; Embedded VOIP applications&quot;

It&#039;s actually moving the other direction, but you might means something else. Those blogging applications you see on phones now are actually not embedded in the true sense. They are Java/Symbian/etc applications that are thrown in at the last stage of development of the phones, and might even be thrown in by the operator. The customer is none the wiser. They get a phone with the applications already installed, but the manufacturer and operator have saved tons of time doing this and can provide applications that are needed rather than that were thought would be needed years ago. 

See my piece on OMA for more on this:
http://www.abiro.com/news/2006/09/debate-has-oma-lost-its-mojo.html

And if you want to know about what I think about Mobile IM (I know you don&#039;t) see here:
http://www.abiro.com/news/2006/10/mobile-im-vs-sms-and-pc-im.html

Maybe the pragmatic definition of Mobile 2.0 is &quot;Actual access to information, not just enabling technology&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Java Games -&gt; Embedded Applications (e.g. Blogger application)<br />
Presence &amp; Push-To-Talk -&gt; Embedded VOIP applications&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually moving the other direction, but you might means something else. Those blogging applications you see on phones now are actually not embedded in the true sense. They are Java/Symbian/etc applications that are thrown in at the last stage of development of the phones, and might even be thrown in by the operator. The customer is none the wiser. They get a phone with the applications already installed, but the manufacturer and operator have saved tons of time doing this and can provide applications that are needed rather than that were thought would be needed years ago. </p>
<p>See my piece on OMA for more on this:<br />
<a href="http://www.abiro.com/news/2006/09/debate-has-oma-lost-its-mojo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.abiro.com/news/2006/09/debate-has-oma-lost-its-mojo.html</a></p>
<p>And if you want to know about what I think about Mobile IM (I know you don&#8217;t) see here:<br />
<a href="http://www.abiro.com/news/2006/10/mobile-im-vs-sms-and-pc-im.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.abiro.com/news/2006/10/mobile-im-vs-sms-and-pc-im.html</a></p>
<p>Maybe the pragmatic definition of Mobile 2.0 is &#8220;Actual access to information, not just enabling technology&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Gold</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the namecheck ;) 

LUUPgirl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the namecheck ;) </p>
<p>LUUPgirl</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan,

A good start but  I agree with Mark that it should be WAP -&gt; Web.

SMS -&gt; IM I do really disgree with. While IM will take the place of some SMS functionality it has the problem that it requires interactivity. SMS is &#039;fire and forget&#039;, there is no need to respond immediately, it&#039;s ideal for quick notifications and enables me to respond when I choose. IM is more like a text based chat (and IM apps are adding voice/video functionality anyway!)

So how about Operator IM -&gt; Global IM? As the big IM names become interoperable then the operators will have to follow suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>A good start but  I agree with Mark that it should be WAP -&gt; Web.</p>
<p>SMS -&gt; IM I do really disgree with. While IM will take the place of some SMS functionality it has the problem that it requires interactivity. SMS is &#8216;fire and forget&#8217;, there is no need to respond immediately, it&#8217;s ideal for quick notifications and enables me to respond when I choose. IM is more like a text based chat (and IM apps are adding voice/video functionality anyway!)</p>
<p>So how about Operator IM -&gt; Global IM? As the big IM names become interoperable then the operators will have to follow suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2006/09/what-is-mobile-20.html/comment-page-1#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty good, Dan.  Jives with my thinking, except for ....

&quot;WAP sites -&gt; .mobi sites&quot;?!?!  .mobi was and is a bad idea, unless everybody simply redirects to their .com site (and then it&#039;s simply a tax on publishers).

I&#039;d prefer;

&quot;WAP sites -&gt; Web sites&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good, Dan.  Jives with my thinking, except for &#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;WAP sites -&gt; .mobi sites&#8221;?!?!  .mobi was and is a bad idea, unless everybody simply redirects to their .com site (and then it&#8217;s simply a tax on publishers).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer;</p>
<p>&#8220;WAP sites -&gt; Web sites&#8221;</p>
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