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		<title>By: Andrew Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-273719</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is what we are also saying here:

http://fourthspeaker.com/2009/11/01/the-mobile-phone-radio-playing-field-mobile-web-apps/

and modeling a new real estate mobile app for here:
http://homesafari.us/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is what we are also saying here:</p>
<p><a href="http://fourthspeaker.com/2009/11/01/the-mobile-phone-radio-playing-field-mobile-web-apps/" rel="nofollow">http://fourthspeaker.com/2009/11/01/the-mobile-phone-radio-playing-field-mobile-web-apps/</a></p>
<p>and modeling a new real estate mobile app for here:<br />
<a href="http://homesafari.us/" rel="nofollow">http://homesafari.us/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DudaMobile</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-268465</link>
		<dc:creator>DudaMobile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree, see also my blog that discusses the pros and cons of mobile web vs. mobile apps: &lt;a href=&quot;”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.dudamobile.com/mobile-website/mobile-web-vs-mobile-apps/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree, see also my blog that discusses the pros and cons of mobile web vs. mobile apps: <a href="”" rel="nofollow">http://blog.dudamobile.com/mobile-website/mobile-web-vs-mobile-apps/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josiah</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-265559</link>
		<dc:creator>Josiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why choose between native and web apps when you can easily have both?

WrapYourApp.com is a service that gives web apps a way to be sold in App Stores. It takes all the benefits of web apps (especially multi-platform) and adds many of the benefits of native apps (can be sold in App Stores, etc). All we need is the URL of the web app and we can put it in the iPhone App Store, Android Market, Palm Catalog (when it opens to general 3rd party apps) and desktop apps on Mac, Windows and Linux.

Prices start at $149.

Mobile web app authors maintain their own code and hosting - while being able to update their application without resubmitting the app to each store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why choose between native and web apps when you can easily have both?</p>
<p>WrapYourApp.com is a service that gives web apps a way to be sold in App Stores. It takes all the benefits of web apps (especially multi-platform) and adds many of the benefits of native apps (can be sold in App Stores, etc). All we need is the URL of the web app and we can put it in the iPhone App Store, Android Market, Palm Catalog (when it opens to general 3rd party apps) and desktop apps on Mac, Windows and Linux.</p>
<p>Prices start at $149.</p>
<p>Mobile web app authors maintain their own code and hosting &#8211; while being able to update their application without resubmitting the app to each store.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Coker</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-263279</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Coker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - old post, but still very relevant - popping up with Apple, Google &amp; a host of other pubs and blogs.  This one is near &amp; dear to my hear, as our software is based upon this very premise - making it easy for companies to extend their Web services to mobile users.  

The problem is that the Web doesn&#039;t know &quot;me&quot;.  If the Web server/Web apps can know who the user is, what device they are on, and the user&#039;s location, then delivering appropriate content to the user is simplified and increases the chance for a positive mobile user experience. The key is getting all that info without the user having to constantly type it in on the tiny mobile keyboards.  

Providing menu-based navigation (but in the browser) would free up the mobile screen for that more relevant content.  Addressing this problem across platforms and respecting the W3C&#039;s standards is the final piece to making it all work. 

If you are interested in learning more about this approach or want to try a free Web app developers version (that requires no mobile development) you can check us out at www.5o9inc.com.   We&#039;d love to hear your feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; old post, but still very relevant &#8211; popping up with Apple, Google &amp; a host of other pubs and blogs.  This one is near &amp; dear to my hear, as our software is based upon this very premise &#8211; making it easy for companies to extend their Web services to mobile users.  </p>
<p>The problem is that the Web doesn&#8217;t know &#8220;me&#8221;.  If the Web server/Web apps can know who the user is, what device they are on, and the user&#8217;s location, then delivering appropriate content to the user is simplified and increases the chance for a positive mobile user experience. The key is getting all that info without the user having to constantly type it in on the tiny mobile keyboards.  </p>
<p>Providing menu-based navigation (but in the browser) would free up the mobile screen for that more relevant content.  Addressing this problem across platforms and respecting the W3C&#8217;s standards is the final piece to making it all work. </p>
<p>If you are interested in learning more about this approach or want to try a free Web app developers version (that requires no mobile development) you can check us out at <a href="http://www.5o9inc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.5o9inc.com</a>.   We&#8217;d love to hear your feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-219342</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the post and I´m wondering how is the bONDI initiative doing nowadays, since this was posted almost 5 months ago.... I would be really interested in testing it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the post and I´m wondering how is the bONDI initiative doing nowadays, since this was posted almost 5 months ago&#8230;. I would be really interested in testing it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamshid</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-162859</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamshid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, software development is now addicted to instant deployment. And once caching and other app-like features are available to webapps, there will be few reasons to be a native app.

But it will be sad if these little computers in our pockets can&#039;t also be servers, if they end up being nothing more than fancy green screens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, software development is now addicted to instant deployment. And once caching and other app-like features are available to webapps, there will be few reasons to be a native app.</p>
<p>But it will be sad if these little computers in our pockets can&#8217;t also be servers, if they end up being nothing more than fancy green screens.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean O Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-159675</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean O Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. It&#039;s been fascinating to watch the evolution of both the native versus webapp applications on the iPhone platform, and you can take that (I think) as a bellwether for what will happen elsewhere. 

As you say - the lines are blurring between native and web apps on that platform, and in many cases - the preference - both from a user *and* developer perspective may tip towwards webapp. *Especially* if I can get at the camera, the GPS, the Bluetooth and more from inside the browser, then why would I bother with native, apart maybe from certain game types or very, specialised applications?

I&#039;ve come round from being skeptical regarding the potential &quot;reach&quot; of webapps, to being a convert, and watching the iPhone is partly what took me there. As BONDI and other initiatives get there, I think we&#039;ll see the same happen on the greater swathe of mobile phones, and it&#039;ll be a &quot;Good Thing&quot;.

Great post. 

Cheers, Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. It&#8217;s been fascinating to watch the evolution of both the native versus webapp applications on the iPhone platform, and you can take that (I think) as a bellwether for what will happen elsewhere. </p>
<p>As you say &#8211; the lines are blurring between native and web apps on that platform, and in many cases &#8211; the preference &#8211; both from a user *and* developer perspective may tip towwards webapp. *Especially* if I can get at the camera, the GPS, the Bluetooth and more from inside the browser, then why would I bother with native, apart maybe from certain game types or very, specialised applications?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come round from being skeptical regarding the potential &#8220;reach&#8221; of webapps, to being a convert, and watching the iPhone is partly what took me there. As BONDI and other initiatives get there, I think we&#8217;ll see the same happen on the greater swathe of mobile phones, and it&#8217;ll be a &#8220;Good Thing&#8221;.</p>
<p>Great post. </p>
<p>Cheers, Sean</p>
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		<title>By: McGuire&#8217;s Law &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Business Observations: October 8, 2008 Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGuire&#8217;s Law &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Business Observations: October 8, 2008 Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marcos Caceres</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-158603</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcos Caceres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to have OMTP participate in the W3C  standardization process of widgets. The W3C&#039;s Web Apps working group has been actively working on exactly this vision of Widgets for over two years. In fact, we&#039;ve published seven drafts of the Widgets 1.0: Requirements, which attempt to capture precisely what needs to be standardized to make mobile browser based applications happen. We are also actively working on six specifications that together standardize widgets. We hope to have some of the specs at Last Call (technically complete) by the end of 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to have OMTP participate in the W3C  standardization process of widgets. The W3C&#8217;s Web Apps working group has been actively working on exactly this vision of Widgets for over two years. In fact, we&#8217;ve published seven drafts of the Widgets 1.0: Requirements, which attempt to capture precisely what needs to be standardized to make mobile browser based applications happen. We are also actively working on six specifications that together standardize widgets. We hope to have some of the specs at Last Call (technically complete) by the end of 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hume</title>
		<link>http://www.torgo.com/blog/2008/10/mobile-web-native-apps.html/comment-page-1#comment-158594</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kinda undecided on this one.

Can 90% of mobile apps really be done on the mobile web? 90% of the things you currently do on the fixed web can be moved down to mobile, and certainly James is right that it&#039;s cheaper to build, modify and iterate mobile web sites than it is to do the same for applications (most of the time).

But applications bring two things, I think: UI possibilities that go beyond the browser metaphor, and integration with the underlying capabilities of the device. Without the latter, the mobile web is stuck being a more limited fixed-web experience, differentiating itself by giving quick access to the most useful online content. 

I find it possible to believe that such a mobile web delivers massive value, even whilst holding the view that if you cut out location, camera, mobile sensors, NFC, identity, etc., you&#039;re cutting out many of the things that make mobile unique.

To use an analogy: delivering PDFs of an existing brochure over the web is a cheaper means of taking your brochure online than building a full e-commerce site with user reviews, ratings, etc. - but I wouldn&#039;t say that this means it&#039;s the right way to go.

The point I&#039;m making here weakens when (and, let&#039;s face it, if) the BONDI effort and projects like PhoneGap see the light of day, of course. But even looking at some of the best networked desktop apps I use (/me shuffles slightly, looks at the floor, mumbles &quot;iTunes store&quot;)... there&#039;s a mix of web and application in there which seems to offer more than yer straight web site does, and has me wondering whether mobile web alone is going to be enough.

I still feel that it&#039;s premature for us to state that we know what the mass market of mobile apps/sites/whatever will *be*. In the same way that the web didn&#039;t (for me) really find its feet as a unique medium until blogging and all that social gubbins arrived, I think we&#039;re yet to understand what mobile will really be about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kinda undecided on this one.</p>
<p>Can 90% of mobile apps really be done on the mobile web? 90% of the things you currently do on the fixed web can be moved down to mobile, and certainly James is right that it&#8217;s cheaper to build, modify and iterate mobile web sites than it is to do the same for applications (most of the time).</p>
<p>But applications bring two things, I think: UI possibilities that go beyond the browser metaphor, and integration with the underlying capabilities of the device. Without the latter, the mobile web is stuck being a more limited fixed-web experience, differentiating itself by giving quick access to the most useful online content. </p>
<p>I find it possible to believe that such a mobile web delivers massive value, even whilst holding the view that if you cut out location, camera, mobile sensors, NFC, identity, etc., you&#8217;re cutting out many of the things that make mobile unique.</p>
<p>To use an analogy: delivering PDFs of an existing brochure over the web is a cheaper means of taking your brochure online than building a full e-commerce site with user reviews, ratings, etc. &#8211; but I wouldn&#8217;t say that this means it&#8217;s the right way to go.</p>
<p>The point I&#8217;m making here weakens when (and, let&#8217;s face it, if) the BONDI effort and projects like PhoneGap see the light of day, of course. But even looking at some of the best networked desktop apps I use (/me shuffles slightly, looks at the floor, mumbles &#8220;iTunes store&#8221;)&#8230; there&#8217;s a mix of web and application in there which seems to offer more than yer straight web site does, and has me wondering whether mobile web alone is going to be enough.</p>
<p>I still feel that it&#8217;s premature for us to state that we know what the mass market of mobile apps/sites/whatever will *be*. In the same way that the web didn&#8217;t (for me) really find its feet as a unique medium until blogging and all that social gubbins arrived, I think we&#8217;re yet to understand what mobile will really be about.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post - 90% of mobile apps can be done on the mobile web - solves 90% of fragmentation problems and much cheaper.  As you say there is a role for applications if you need specific functionality (qik could never work as a mobile web app) but developers should be focusing on mobile web.  All the players that have been doing mobile for a while like flirtomatic, mippin have all come to this conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post &#8211; 90% of mobile apps can be done on the mobile web &#8211; solves 90% of fragmentation problems and much cheaper.  As you say there is a role for applications if you need specific functionality (qik could never work as a mobile web app) but developers should be focusing on mobile web.  All the players that have been doing mobile for a while like flirtomatic, mippin have all come to this conclusion.</p>
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